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Mike Sigman's avatar

Gender identity dysmorphia (or "disorder") is a known and defined mental issue (or "disorder"). I wonder how we even got to this stage of arguing about whether a "transgender" person is really a different sex, given that it's basically a mental problem. Are we also supposed to accept that an anorexic person is indeed as fat as they think they are? Should the taxpayers be liable for gastric-bypass surgery for anorexics? Should we be forced to call anorexics "fatty" or risk legal penalties? It's a mad, mad world.

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Mark Miles's avatar

“…reasonable accommodations, consistent with evidence and data…”

I predict that in a decade or two, the current social trend of allowing people with XY genotype to compete in sports against people with XX genotype will become a textbook example of the abuse of empirical methods to support a political/social agenda of a particular historical epoch.

You have to start with the reason sports are separated into men’s and women’s in the first place. Humans have known for hundreds of “generations” that men are stronger and faster than women. That is the reasonable starting presumption. Philosophically speaking it’s a Chesterton’s Fence. Medically speaking it’s a First Do No Harm. Statistically speaking it’s a Burden of Proof.

Statistically, we know that athletic attributes of men vs women exist on normal distributions that overlap to varying degrees; the fastest women sprinters can beat many men. Add to that, we now have a speck of history on the human time-line where we can manipulate the effects of the hormones most associated with post-pubertal phenotype differences, androgens and estrogens. Manipulating these hormones at varying times in development will change the characteristics of the normal distributions. The main point is that we have vastly insufficient data on the effects of androgen suppression.

Furthermore, on the very day they are born, little XY will be on a different distribution of relevant behavioral characteristics than their little XX fraternal twin sibling--- aggressiveness, risk-taking, competitiveness, socialization strategies.

Consider the task of doing a power analysis on how many years of sports outcomes would be needed to prove that androgen-altered XY has no statistically significant advantage over control XX. And what level of statistical significance do you choose to say androgen-altered XY can compete?

Your use of the pejorative “blunt discrimination” implies that the burden of proof has shifted onto women’s sports to compete against XY people. Are you claiming there is statistically robust data to support that? I'm happy to be educated.

Roger, you’re a world’s expert on capture of academia by motivated reasoning in the climate domain, which you describe as “a sort of bizzaro world” of embracing incorrect science. There is every sign that this is what is happening in the trend to allow transgender women compete with XX people at all levels of sports.

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