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Roger Pielke Jr.'s avatar

"Wind turbines are the most visible symbols of the quest for renewable electricity generation. And yet, although they exploit the wind, which is as free & as green as energy can be, the machines themselves are pure embodiments of fossil fuels"

Vaclav Smil

https://vaclavsmil.com/wp-content/uploads/15.WINDTURBINE.pdf

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Solar power will also be only a niche. The problems I see with solar and wind power are both the low density and the intermittency. The intermittency is particularly bad because of the seasonal variations. Seasonal variations for the Midwest: For solar, the difference in summer to winter output is 2.8 to 1. For wind, the difference in fall to summer output is 2.1. to 1.

An electrical grid has to work for the worst case scenario, which means to make solar and wind power reliable will require huge amounts of overbuilding, storage, grid upgrades, and expensive seasonal backup. The cost and land use grows exponentially as the percentage solar/wind increases.

The only realistic way I have seen to decarbonize is with nuclear power. The irony is that as we build more nuclear, the prices come down as we build more solar/wind the price goes up.

For anyone interested, I have done an extremely deep dive into this subject.

//schlanj.substack.com/p/a-more-realistic-view-of-the-cost

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