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Roger,

I appreciate the academic approach. Start with a premise, work out the consequences, and try to learn from them. Your premise requires you to ignore nonfungibility of energy sources (see below), but that seems to me to render the premise too far from reality to be useful.

In my view your analysis tends to assume complete fungibility of the power sources you compare, despite your mention of intermittency. But they are not fungible.

Nuclear is the most reliable. Coal is substantially reliable, depending on rail and barge transport. Oil with adequate storage is also substantially reliable. Notably, those last two sources are what got the Midwest and New England through Winter Storm Fern without massive blackouts. Natural gas is pretty reliable, but because storage is not practical on a sufficient scale, depends on continuing operation of a complex web of wellhead to power plant infrastructure that can go wrong.

Solar and perhaps wind can be cheap in dollars when available, but the cost of an adequately firmed system becomes prohibitive if you push up their fraction of baseload power too high. This aspect is regularly covered by Isaac Orr and Mitch Rolling (https://energybadboys.substack.com/) and is covered directly in the new JP Morgan Energy Paper (p. 43).

To have a robust ability to supply electricity to humans across events, a mix of these is clearly the best option. (I would leave out solar/wind myself, but I know that is blasphemy for many and that is not my point here.)

Dale & Laura McIntyre's avatar

Roger, I suggest we parse use of the word "subsidies" with some nuance. Precise use of language is a great aid to clear thinking. According to my Funk & Wagnalls, a subsidy is "Pecuniary aid directly granted by government to an individual or commercial enterprise deemed productive of public benefit." Some of the government fingers thrust into the energy pie are indeed subsidies, but other "financial interventions" include loan guarantees and tax breaks. Renewable energy has been showered with government financial interventions at enormous rates compared to fossil fuels so to say that both receive "subsidies" is, in my opinion, misleading. Most of the financial interventions available to fossil fuels are tax breaks, not subsidies or loan guarantees. A tax break is whereby the government undertakes to steal slightly less of the enterprises' profits than otherwise. Robert Bryce's book "Power Hungry" calculated total financial intervention per million BTU equivalent for the entire US oil and gas industry as just $0.03 per million BTU. Natural gas-fired electricity received just $0.25 per MW-hr in financial interventions, again entirely tax breaks. By contrast, solar received $24/MW-hr, Wind received $23/MW-hr. (Bryce's numbers are getting long in the tooth, so they could use updating. But the relative ratios may still be useful.) Even nuclear, which has had a lot of government largess over the years, racked up just about $2/MW-hr of total financial interventions. These financial interventions, and the need for back-up power for intermittent renewables, should be front and center in any discussion of an energy transition.

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