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Dale & Laura McIntyre's avatar

Roger, I note that the plateau in decarbonization, at around the year 1970, corresponds roughly to the time when the anti-nuclear movement began to expand their protests against nuclear weapons to the broader issue of stopping nuclear power plants. From about 1970 on it became increasingly difficult to build new nuclear power plants in the US without paying an enormous political and public relations price for the attempt. Yet physically there is just no practical way to decarbonize combustion fuels past CH4 without vast supplies of heat and electricity to make hydrogen in nuclear power plants. Thus the emotional, fact-free resistance to nuclear power by passionate, vocal segments of the environmental movement was seriously counterproductive towards the long-term good of decarbonization.

The excellent discussion on dematerialization might be summarized as vindication for Julian Simon's bet against the ecological prophet of doom Paul Ehrlich.

Regarding land-sharing, Roskoff's fine book "Factfulness" enlightened me to the fact that, as of 2018, 14% of the world's land surface has already been set aside as national parks or nature preserves. Starving people don't do that. Let us not forget that it was artificial fertilizers derived from natural gas and the Green Revolution in plant science, between them, that made it possible to feed a growing world population and eliminate famine from peaceful parts of the world. Resisted at every step by chair-bound environmentalists touting organic farming.

The common result here is that some of the most vocal voices in the environmental movement have used their passion and commitment in ways counterproductive to the greater good. To be blunt, a fair percentage of those well-intentioned, ignorant folks are a boil on the neck of progress.

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On decarbonization I find it a bit strange to talk about the hydrogen to carbon ratio when the issue is energy. As an example, even though there are 80% hydrogen atoms in methane, the thermal energy of methane is 55% from hydrogen. So even though his figure shows something approaching the 80% H/C ratio it says little about the challenge of power and energy. The reason for the stagnation in his curve below the 80% ratio is to do with power and energy.

Then the author asserts that "Abundant nuclear causes, indeed requires, abundant hydrogen" without any attempt to justify that assertion. I have no idea why the author thinks this, let alone why he thinks it is undisputably so.

What seems to me to be true is that hydrogen is an energy intensive vector. In that sense, abundant hydrogen requires abundant nuclear. For the reverse to be true one needs to imagine that for some reason someone has built a system where there is a lot more power and energy from nuclear over a substantial part of the operating time than what is consumed. I do not see that this is an inherent part of a nuclear powered system.

The issue of substantial overbuilt capacity is definitely an integral part of systems that rely heavily on variable and uncontrollable power sources such as wind and solar. It is indeed impossible to build electrical power systems on such generators without substantial overproduction. But nuclear is controllable to a much larger degree than wind and solar and can have a much better match to consumption. Thus the capacity and nature of necessary storage of excess energy is very different from wind and solar. Hydrogen is only one of many possible ways of doing it, albeit a very costly and inefficient way.

I have my expertise within energy and power, that is why I jumped on that part first. The other two - materials and land use - I need to think more about. But my gut moved when reading those parts as well, so I'll have to figure out why.

Thank you for this, it is always good to read such things and be pushed into re-thinking stuff I thought I knew.

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