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Craig Verdi's avatar

This is an example of the Extrapolation error logical fallacy. It works like this. You are speeding across the desert at 60 miles per hour. There is a sheer cliff 30 miles away. The conclusion: In 30 minutes you will fall off the cliff and die.

What is ignored in this fallacy is very broad. Many other outcomes are more likely. Among them is that the car may break down. You may slow down. You may stop. You may turn around and go home, etc. All of the climate predictions are made with the Extrapolation error and it could play a role in the outcomes of global warming predictions. The weather could start cooling tomorrow. There was no "trigger" for the Little Ice Age. 1350-1850. There is nothing that disproves that. Changes made by us may work, though I think they would be minimal unless we go all out for nuclear.

It is as though the activists don't want improvement, but they want crisis. Their end goal is a utopia with all people being like them. Elitists who think the planet should have about 1.3 billion people who are all like minded and are out composting and making hemp bags together while living in a paradise.

That is why they hate skeptics. If someone does not believe, they can't be manipulated.

The bottom line, and I think Roger would agree, is that we simply don't know. We can say we know what has happened recently, but we can't say with certainty it will play out the way the models or predictions say.

See my last article on "The Great Hurricane drought." Buried by media, the drought lasted 12 years. No Hurricanes 2006 to 2017. Almost no one knows that. Why? It doesn't argue for more hurricane damage. So, the media didn't bring it up.

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john Tucker's avatar

The basic issue here is the reliance upon "computer models". Because they get the adjective "scientific" attached to them, they get a scent of veracity to the public. However any computer model of any phenomenon is at best an "educated guess".

Note that weather forecasters use computer models to predict the path and intensity of hurricanes. There are dozens of models in use today and each one makes different predictions from every other one. Predictions for a mere seven days out vary from each other by very substantial margins. I remember for example how wrong they were about Katrina even 4 days before it hit New Orleans as a category 5 storm.....

I knew the people who developed the models just for forecasting and "nowcasting" the tidal depths for certain critical locations in the Chesapeake Bay...its very much more difficult than you would ever guess....they take the data from a few hundred tidal gauges, plus the orbits of the moon and earth around the sun, even maybe Jupiter has some influence, but then there are other factors that are stronger than those, including the relative air pressure, past present and future at various locations, and the wind direction and speed, past present and future, at various locations, because a strong wind can blow up or down the bay enough to affect the water levels by several feet. Then they also have to add in the data from the different rivers and streams feeding into the bay, the water level and flow rates in those and past, present and future rainfall.

Those are the main variables for the models and it takes a supercomputer to do all the calculations.

It took them about 20 years of work and study before they began to get casts that were reliable enough to make public.

Since the big cargo ships need very accurate knowledge of bottom characteristics to know when and when not to move, its worth the expense to get good casts. But even with all of that there are extraneous and even many unknown factors that also have an influence.

Computer models are simplistic extractions, they are not themselves reality. Keep that in mind always.....

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