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Andy May's avatar

"Now if only we had elected officials to reflect citizen common sense"

Hear, hear!

BTW, I disagree on coal. It may not be popular but it is one of our most abundant, reliable, and inexpensive options, so it is here for a very long time.

Solar? It is a niche product, good for remote streetlights, emergency generators, household supplemental source, off the grid use. That is about it, it isn't practical or needed on the grid.

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Roger and Ruy - "all of above" always sounds good but it is NOT a useful concept. Past time for it to go away. It sounds generous, kind-spirited, reasonable. Easy to put into speeches. I think to a large degree, everyone wants to do the "right" thing. Devils are in details. If we want to be fiscally responsible and sound, if we don't like burdens on taxpayers to support energy sources and tech that make no engineering economics sense, if we want "rationality" to rule the day, then all of above needs a lot of filtering. With that, a great deal drops out - alt energy tech violates thermodynamics laws, too much material input goes in for too little Btus coming out, it's intrusive/invasive because of large footprints, it just is way more expensive on a full cost basis than anyone is willing to pay. We keep falling back on energy dense fossil fuels, nuclear (at least in discussion) and, in some cases, hydro because we get a great deal of energy output per unit of input; they require less rather than more infrastructure per Btu-e; the footprint actually is much smaller (in all ways, on any measure of "sustainability") than alternatives; they don't require public (taxpayer) support. Cuts in public spending for these options should be one of the easiest fiscal measures to take. For your survey and research to be useful, you all need to grapple with these realities.

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